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Liberty Media (NASDAQ:FWONA)
This autumn 2020 Earnings Name
Feb 26, 2021, 10:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

  • Ready Remarks
  • Questions and Solutions
  • Name Contributors

Ready Remarks:

Operator

Girls and gents, thanks for standing by. Welcome to the Liberty Media Company 2020 Yr-Finish Earnings Name. [Operator Instructions] Afterwards we are going to conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]

I’d now like to show the convention over to Courtnee Chun, Chief Portfolio Officer. Please go forward.

Courtnee ChunChief Portfolio Officer

Thanks. Good morning. Earlier than we start, we would wish to remind everybody that this name contains sure forward-looking statements throughout the that means of the Personal Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Precise occasions or outcomes might differ materially on account of plenty of dangers and uncertainties, together with these talked about in Liberty Media’s most up-to-date Type 10-Okay or Liberty Media Acquisition type S-1, the registration assertion filed with the SEC.

These forward-looking statements converse solely of the date of this name, and Liberty Media and Liberty Media Acquisition expressly disclaim any obligation or endeavor to disseminate any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statements contained herein to mirror any change in Liberty Media or Liberty Media Acquisition Company’s expectations with regard thereto, or any change in occasions, situations or circumstances on which any such assertion is predicated.

On at present’s name, we are going to talk about sure non-GAAP monetary measures for Liberty Media and SiriusXM, together with adjusted OIBDA and adjusted EBITDA. The required definitions and reconciliations for Liberty Media and SiriusXM’s Schedules 1 & 2 may be discovered on the finish of the earnings press launch issued at present, which is accessible on the Liberty Media web site.Now I would like to show the decision over to Greg Maffei, Liberty’s President and CEO.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Thanks. Courtnee, and good morning to all of you. At present talking on the decision, we may even have Components One’s new President and CEO, Stefano Domenicali and Liberty’s Chief Accounting Officer & Principal Monetary Officer, Brian Wendling. I’d as soon as once more like to acknowledge and thank our administration staff and staff for the great job they’ve accomplished managing by COVID and troublesome circumstances.

Starting with Liberty SiriusXM, I would word we continued our share repurchases — repurchasing $99 million throughout each LSXMA/Okay shares within the November to January time-frame. As you already know, the low cost persists and we repurchased at a look-through value on SIRI of about $3.70 per share. We do count on to proceed to reap the benefits of the low cost alternative, partially pushed by some latest stability sheet enhancements we now have at LSXMK. In November, we raised $929 million of a stay exchangeable bond at 50 bps to repay our stay exchangeable maturing later this 12 months and fund the decision unfold between LSXM and FWONA [Phonetic] originated after we did the reattribution.

In tandem, we amended the stay margin mortgage and unencumbered a considerable portion of our stay fairness. Additionally, after quarter finish, we amended our SIRI margin mortgage, rising our borrowing capability from $1.35 billion to $1.75 billion. Accordingly, we now have generated substantial incremental borrowing capability to go after that low cost, and we proceed to reap the benefits of it. Our possession of SiriusXM, as of January twenty ninth stood at 76.4%. We do count on to get 80% possession on this 12 months, and we not too long ago introduced a tax sharing settlement between SiriusXM and Liberty SiriusXM.

The SIRI Board of Administrators evaluates capital return technique each quarter and can proceed to take action if Liberty will get to the 80% possession stage as we count on later this 12 months. So taking a look at Sirius itself, we welcome to Jennifer West, who assumed her new CEO position in January. The brand new automobile penetration at SIRI hit 80% within the fourth quarter, and we now have line of sight to get it 82% in 2021. SiriusXM {hardware} is now in a single out of each two vehicles on the street, and the quantity continues to climb. [Indecipherable] and self-pay households listening within the digital surroundings, i.e. out of the automobile, grew 40% in 2020, and Stitzer has the biggest share of US podcast listening viewers out there to advertisers. Please do ensure you take heed to the podcast of the 12 months of Workplace Girls. When you’ve got been to our Investor Days, you understand how a lot we love the Workplace.

Turning to Dwell Nation, we proceed to have nice demand for concert events, maybe notably, The Weekend bought over 1 million tickets worldwide for his 2022 tour only one week after saying the tour. Clearly, there may be sturdy demand as we famous for stay music. Dwell additionally acquired a majority stake in Beeps, a ticketed livestream platform. I encourage you to take a look at the sequence they’ve on Rufus Wainwright.

Turning to the Components One Group, as I discussed, we now have a brand new CEO there, Stephano Domenicali from whom you may hear in a minute. We’re planning for a report 23 races this 12 months. Notably the Orange Military is able to welcome the Dutch GP and native hero, Max Verstappen, in September at Zandvoort. 2020 present, we now have ample demand for internet hosting races, even on quick discover from each new and historic tracks.

And now for a lot of of you, who’ve seen the whole lot you need to see streamed on-line this 12 months, get able to tune in for Season 3 of Drive to Survive, which drops on Netflix on March nineteenth. In January, we launched LMAC with SPAC. We raised $575 million, that is the biggest company SPAC to-date. In accordance with bankers who’re concerned and perhaps they’re biased. It was probably the most oversubscribed SPAC of all time, and the primary commerce at $1,320 was the very best preliminary commerce for any SPAC to-date. Inventory has continued to commerce effectively, however admittedly on pinned quantity. We’re actively in discussions with plenty of targets within the TMT house. The 20% curiosity in LMAC is attributed to the Components One Group. And I’d remind you that the Components One Group has dedicated to ahead buy $250 million and $10 per unit in reference to the preliminary enterprise mixture when it happens.

Turning to Braves, we sadly misplaced some icons on the Braves on this off season, and we would like to start out by paying tribute to them. Notably, Phil Niekro and naturally Hank Aaron. We began a fund named after Hank Aaron with $1 million from the Braves plus $1 million from Main League Baseball and the Main League Baseball Gamers’ Affiliation to assist develop range in baseball. We’re enthusiastic about our enhanced 2021 roster coming off a successful the NL East for our third straight season. We did resign Marcell Ozuna to a four-year deal. As chances are you’ll recall, we got here inside one 12 months — one win moderately from going to final 12 months’s world sequence. So our guys are able to go. Freddie Freeman coming off of his 2020 NL MVP, Acuna, Albies and extra are hungry and prepared. Spring Coaching did begin not too long ago on Tuesday and our first Spring Coaching recreation is that this Sunday. We count on followers to be attending the 25% capability.

Turning again to the house entrance at Three Ballpark workplace tower, we’re close to completion and 70% leased, each TicknCook and Papa John’s will absolutely occupy their house by the summer season of 2021. 97% of the Battery’s tenants are operational, which speaks to the relative [Indecipherable] Georgia, and we imagine bodes effectively for followers at Truist this 12 months. We do count on to have followers within the sands, however should not but positive of the seating capability restrictions. And we do have vital demand for each tickets at Truist and Spring Coaching. As I famous, we look ahead to an important 2021 season and together with internet hosting the MLB All-Star recreation on July thirteenth.

So with that, let me flip over to Brian for some extra monetary outcomes.

Brian J. WendlingChief Accounting Officer and Principal Monetary Officer

Thanks, Greg, and good morning, everybody. At Liberty SiriusXM Group, we have taken plenty of steps to spice up liquidity and strengthen the stability sheet. Within the fourth quarter, we issued $920 million of Dwell Nation exchangeable bonds and amended our Dwell Nation margin mortgage, unencumbering substantial Dwell Nation fairness worth as a part of the modification, reducing the shares underlying the loans and $53.7 million to $9 million.

Subsequent to quarter finish, we amended our SIRI margin mortgage, rising borrowing capability to $1.75 billion, up from $1.35 billion at 12 months finish and borrowing an extra $125 million. Inclusive of this extra margin mortgage draw, Liberty SiriusXM Group had attributed money, restricted money and liquid investments of $1.1 billion, excluding $83 million of money and restricted money held instantly at SiriusXM. We additionally had $1.1 billion of undrawn margin mortgage capability on the dad or mum stage.

Roughly $860 million of our money can be utilized in 2021 to settle the decision unfold between the Components One Group and the Liberty SiriusXM Group and to repay our 2.25% Dwell Nation exchangeable bonds, this worth is predicated on estimates of the honest worth of each liabilities at year-end. As of February twenty fifth, the worth of the SiriusXM inventory held at Liberty SiriusXM Group was $19 billion and the worth of our Dwell Nation inventory was $6 billion, excluding the worth of the Dwell Nation name unfold held at Components One valued at $371 million at 12 months finish.

We have $3.2 billion in principal quantity of debt in opposition to these holdings. Complete Liberty SiriusXM Group attributed principal quantity of debt was $12.8 billion, which incorporates $8.6 billion of debt at SiriusXM instantly. Components One Group had attributed money and liquid investments of $1.4 billion, which excludes $265 million of money held at Components One and whole Components One Group attributed principal quantity of debt was $3.6 billion, which incorporates $2.9 billion of debt at F1, with $727 million the company stage.

At year-end Components One $500 million revolver stays undrawn. At quarter finish, Braves Group had attributed money and liquid investments and restricted money at $185 million and attributed principal quantity of debt of $674 million. They’re at the moment in compliance on all debt covenants throughout the portfolio.

With that, I am going to flip it over to Stefano to debate Components One.

Stefano DomenicaliPresident and Chief Government Officer

Thanks, Brian. I’m thrilled to begin with and honored to steer Components One. Thanks to Liberty, the FIA, the groups and all of our companions for the nice and cozy welcome. Earlier than I begin, I need to thank Chase for his tireless work over the previous 4 years in constructing our group that offers us the very sturdy basis for the expansion within the a long time forward. Final 12 months was a problem for everybody across the globe, and each enterprise on the game felt the influence of pandemic.

Components 1 delivered what many thought was unattainable. A 17 races calendar delivered safely and with large enthusiasm from our followers. 72% assume that F1 has improved over the previous two years. 68% imagine F1 is in good palms underneath Liberty Media. 71% fee their satisfaction with being an F1 fan, as eight or greater. Moreover, followers imagine Components 1 handbook is safely very, very effectively in the course of the international pandemic, with 90% believing the swift measure put in place to permit races to go forward have been dealt with effectively. 81% imagine in F1 has communicated effectively with followers in the course of the shutdown and 73% imagine in F1 has handbook the absence of followers of the race as effectively and 88% assume optimistic in regards to the calendar in 2020.

All of us proceed to navigate the problem of COVID-19 this 12 months. Nonetheless, that won’t preclude us [Indecipherable] and alternatives we see in entrance of us, that are: primary, put within the drivers on the middle of F1, as they symbolize the soul and are the ambassador of the game. The extent of expertise we now have at present on the grade is likely one of the highest in F1 historical past, and we should always have a good time that. Quantity two, delivering an unimaginable product that strengthen its competitors and motion on the observe, included 23 races this 12 months. Quantity three, enhancing the long-term prospect of sport and making certain it is a gorgeous enterprise mannequin for all individuals and attracting new individuals. And quantity 4, remaining dedicated by our motion to our We Race As One platform, deal with sustainability, range and inclusion and neighborhood.

To mirror on 2020, we had been extraordinarily proud to finish a profitable 17 race season. The previous couple of races introduced some new faces to podium, together with the Sakhir GP, which noticed Sergio Perez claiming his first win alongside Esteban Ocon and Lance Stroll in the identical time — in the identical race, we had been relieved to see Roman Grosjean stroll away from a fiery crash, a testomony to Roman, his help groups on the observe and improved security measure within the sport.

Max Verstappen secured the win of our final Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi, which capped a really profitable season for Purple Bull, who positioned second within the constructor standing. On the monetary fronts clearly, we had been impacted by COVID-19, however working in collaboration with our companions to mitigate these impacts. As a result of lowered variety of races, length of the season, and virtually no fan attendance, unsurprisingly major income declined in all classes. Nonetheless, we labored with our promoters to increase contracts the place mutually agreed and labored with sure sponsor to defer selective rights into future years. We approached these settlement with the spirit of partnership and largely remoted the previous contract to influence 2020.

The spirit of collaboration, along with the continued phrases of our account, go away us effectively positioned with all of our materials business companions as we enter in 2021. For the total season, we’re happy with the response from our followers throughout a number of platforms. We made vital good points throughout social platforms, making us the second fastest-growing main help league in time period of follower throughout the 4 main social platform forward of main sport, corresponding to NFL, NBA, PGA Tour and WWE.

We’ve got seen the quickest development within the digital engagement, in comparison with all our main sport with a 99% lower in 2020. On TV, our common orders for Grand Prix was $87.4 million, very marginally down on 2019, however nonetheless greater than the common order in 2019, are in contrast favorably to different main sports activities with a global footprint that is skilled deep decline in 2020 as a result of pandemic. We plan to have interaction extra followers in 2021, and we now have set for an thrilling 23 races calendar. This contains the addition of Saudi Arabia and far anticipated race within the Netherlands.

We’ll navigate the problem of pandemic, however are happy with how we now have already been working with our companions. We had been in a position to reschedule Australia later within the 12 months and introduced the return of Imola and Portimao to the schedule. All conversations with promoters have been optimistic because the begin of the 12 months. And each one among them has made it clear that the occasions ought to be going forward as scheduled.

We might like to welcome followers again on the observe and we’ll be working with the native organizing and governments on that method. We’re additionally grateful for the efforts made by the federal government to permit Components 1 to proceed to journey to our occasions throughout a time of worldwide quarantine. Our extremely sturdy security process have confirmed we are able to journey and race safely.

Moreover, we now have evaluated the race weekend with a proposal to strive a brand new Saturday’s dash races format of some races in 2021, the results of which might that reminds the group for the primary occasions on Sunday. This was supported by the groups in precept on the assembly a number of weeks in the past, and we are going to work with them and the FIA to finalize the main points earlier than the beginning of the season. On the sporting facet, we predict an thrilling season with Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes combating for the distinctive and historic eighth World Championship.

We hope to see Ferrari, with that every one the historical past within the sport been they’ve struggle again and are excited for all the brand new items and contours up on the grid. For a lot of the season, we had been questioning the place Sergio Perez would discover a driver’s seat, and we won’t wait to see him pair up with Max Verstappen.

McLaren, who had spectacular 2020 season completed third in constructor standing. We’ll see Daniel Ricciardo and Lando Norris up collectively. We welcome Aston Martin, an iconic model with a seasonally champion Sebastian Vettel behind the wheel. We additionally welcome the return of Fernando Alonso to stay Alpine staff, he’s doing effectively, by the best way, following his latest accident and looking out ahead to seeing him at first of the season in Bahrain. And naturally, the world can be watching the most important season of Mick Schumacher at Haas.

Final 12 months was momentous for Components One signing the brand new Concorde Settlement and reaching settlement on the introduction of a value cap taking impact this 12 months in 2021. The subsequent main space to cowl pertains to the facility unit to our engine. In an indication of a collaboration, the FIA, Components One and the groups have voted to freeze energy unit growth from the beginning of 2022. A excessive stage of working group has been established, we predict whose energy unit producer and meals provider.

As we glance to the subsequent era of the facility models for 2025, the important thing goal are: carbon neutrality, actually sustainable fuels, hybrid energy unit, vital value discount and naturally, attractiveness to the brand new energy unit producers. We imagine that the sustainable gas on the hybrid engine can be a really enticing output for the OEMs and their portfolios and supplies one other resolution to the automotive, their carbonization drive the world over. I really feel very optimistic about this most likely on this space and have have already got very productive conversations with present and potential OEMs in regards to the course Components One is transferring in.

Persevering with on this matter, we affirm the We Race As One platform will grow to be our official ESG platform with the three core pillars of sustainability, range and inclusion and neighborhood. We’re pleased with the influence this platform as final 12 months, and we’ll proceed with our motion to push ahead as a sport. Within the coming weeks, I’ll meet with all of the drivers to debate with them our We Race As One plans for this 12 months and past, together with the rollout of our apprenticeship, internship and scholarship in our sport for underrepresented teams and essential of our heroes, position fashions and champions of progress in our sport that impressed followers around the globe.

We’re trying ahead to season three of Drive to Survive hitting Netflix on March 19. This may as soon as once more seize all of the drive males’s story strains of 2020 and there is no query that sequence proceed to deliver new ardour of the game. I am unable to specific sufficient my pleasure for all the chance Components One has in entrance of us. And I look ahead to replace you on our progress. However please you should definitely watch the season opening Grand Prix in Bahrain on March 28.

And with that, as soon as once more, thanks a lot. I’ll flip it over to you, Greg. Thanks.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Thanks, Brian, thanks, Stefano and to our listening viewers, we recognize your continued curiosity in Liberty Media and hope you all staying secure and wholesome. And operator, with that, I would wish to open the ground to questions.

Questions and Solutions:

Operator

Thanks. [Operator Instructions] Our first query at present comes from Vijay Jayant of Evercore.

Vijay JayantEvercore — Analyst

Thanks. I’ve two. First, Greg, clearly, with the tax sharing settlement with Sirius, that kind of kicks in 80%. Clearly, you talked about that the board will resolve how capital allocation works each in the meanwhile, however given the float can be fairly small and I feel dividends can be tax free each that. Is there an expectation that we should always assume that can shift extra towards dividends or the buybacks? Or are we strictly on a path to kind of taking the corporate personal? And are there any obstacles kind of on that path? Is there like a squeeze out requirement of 90%? Something you’ll be able to share on kind of what occurs to the fairness capital construction kind of submit the 80% stage?

And second for Stefano, welcome. I simply wished to kind of get your perspective, you have been talked about within the press, suggesting that you just’re in search of extra high quality over amount by way of races and clearly speaking about dash race, do you actually assume you want to change the format of the race? We will do [Indecipherable] paid practices and making it the most important tactical? Are you able to simply speak about what you actually assume is the chance to make {that a} weekend larger occasion broadly? Thanks.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

So I am going to go first and chat just a little bit about dividends, capital allocation and the like. To begin with, it truly is a call of the total board. You’d know accurately that on the margin, we might most likely have a slight tilt towards dividends, we at Liberty Media, Liberty Siri in comparison with the place we as soon as had been. Nevertheless it’s actually not that huge a tilt, what we’re trying on the low cost to NAV working about just below 28%, considerably tightened from the 45% when the GME world blew up, and we had been working extra like within the mid to low-30s. So we now have tightened it, however that is nonetheless fairly massive, in comparison with even 7% fee we might solely pay with the DRD exclusion. So I do not assume an enormous sum on the dimensions for Liberty, we’re marginally extra oriented towards dividends, however not massively, however that call actually can be pushed by administration and the board.

So far as triggers, that may contain, I’d say, the impartial board should make their very own selections. However one factor, I feel would seemingly be at the back of our minds that we get to 90%, we might do a brief type squeeze out merger of the remaining 10%. So some administrators may take into consideration the tempo at which we might get to that form of a quantity. However once more, these selections actually can be made by the total board and in some unspecified time in the future, the impartial administrators could have voice about making certain that the minorities appropriately defend it.

Stefano DomenicaliPresident and Chief Government Officer

Okay. That is my go to reply to the query with regard to the format on what we’re pondering to enhance in time period of present. To begin with, as you say that our goal is to attempt to supply to the folks which can be coming to the occasion, to the folks which can be watching tv, to the folks which can be actually followers of Components One one thing that’s thrilling. So the concept that we now have shared and I feel that we now have acquired an important suggestions from everybody within the sport is that we’ll strive to determine one thing that might give us a certified on Friday, Saturday dash race that might decide the grid order for the Sunday race. In order that we’re thrilled of an important weekend that might be useful to all of the celebration concerned. And that is one thing that we’re detailing with the groups and the FAI within the subsequent weeks with a purpose to current the ultimate format earlier than the beginning of the season in Bahrain. However that is the purpose of what we tried to do that 12 months in that respect.

Vijay JayantEvercore — Analyst

Thanks a lot, each.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from David Karnovsky of JP Morgan.

David KarnovskyJP Morgan — Analyst

Thanks for taking the query. Welcome, Stefano. Might you talk about the freeze on engine growth and the way you assume this may influence on-track competitors? After which simply perhaps broaden a bit on their view of F1’s long-term engine targets in mild of among the OEMs like GM and Jaguar transferring towards all-electric autos?

Stefano DomenicaliPresident and Chief Government Officer

Effectively, thanks, David, for the query. I feel that what’s vital to say that this concept of freezing one 12 months upfront is related to the brand new enterprise sustainable method that Components One has taken. We’ve got taken this 12 months with the price cap that’s associated to a sure a part of the price of managing the theme. The opposite half was not a lot, however essential was how we are able to seize the controllable funding value as within the regular enterprise on the facility models. The 4 patrons related the truth that we might anticipate that on the finish of spending new cash for a brand new engine, we had been pondering how we are able to seize the eye of potential producer, but additionally ensuring that those which can be developed at present, including to that sooner or later.

So we do imagine by constructing hybrids sooner or later is the precise place that can enable all of the producers, who’ve an entry to a special portfolio, not solely electrification to their regular enterprise. So due to this fact, I feel that what we’re putting in in that respect, having carbon neutrality, absolutely sustainable fuels on the middle and hybrid gave us a extremely nice place in time period of bundle in time period of being at all times on the pinnacle of expertise of superior analysis in Components One and ensuring that everybody can profit from this exercise additionally to have a kind of street relevancy, further actions that may be useful to all of the automotive producer. And by doing that, we’ll have a win-win state of affairs, a variety of consideration of energy models otherwise of all being electrical having the price management underneath management and naturally being aligned with our price of being sustainable for the long run. So these are the bottom of pondering that we’re taking after we determined to go and comply with this path.

David KarnovskyJP Morgan — Analyst

Okay. After which I imagine there may be plenty of race promotion contracts expiring on the finish of this 12 months. I feel Singapore and the US. Simply questioning the way you’re interested by F1 is entering into these area versus perhaps including new races in different fly away markets I feel you have talked about South Africa not too long ago? And close to Vietnam GP, is there any replace you’ll be able to present on whether or not we’d see that race in some unspecified time in the future sooner or later?

Stefano DomenicaliPresident and Chief Government Officer

Effectively, sure. I imply, for positive, we’re in an important second as a result of regardless of the pandemic, we’re receiving an unimaginable variety of requests by — that reveals that the F1 on the middle of the curiosity, not solely from the organizers all around the globe, but additionally from the motorsport neighborhood. Due to this fact, our strategic plan is to resolve to begin with, what’s the proper dimension in time period of races within the 12 months. The contract you might be mentioning are expiring, however there are dialogue ongoing as a result of they ones that you just had been contemplating are actually vital, and there’s a lot of curiosity to progress and maintain them additionally sooner or later.

We affirm, as you already know, that US is essential and strategic markets for us, and we now have the purpose so as to add one other race in US, we now have already nice [Indecipherable] however we’re in search of different options that might be essential for us. What I can see with Vietnam for no matter cause that occurred, you see, we did not have the race, however for positive, that’s an space far east generally that is essential for the strategic development of our enterprise sooner or later and for positive, that is an space, the place we’ll exploit different alternatives for the long run.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

And if I might simply add to Stefano’s feedback, which I agree with, we do not need an uncommon variety of promoter contracts expiring this 12 months or just about in any 12 months. We’ve got a portfolio, the place a sure quantity get renewed yearly identical to we now have a sure variety of broadcast contracts that are renewed yearly and generally, as a result of we predict demand will rise for our sport, we do not concern that we truly recognize that as a result of we predict there’s extra alternative to have them behind.

David KarnovskyJP Morgan — Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Ben Swinburne of Morgan Stanley.

Ben SwinburneMorgan Stanley — Analyst

Thanks, good morning guys. I wished to ask each, undoubtedly to Greg, only a query round sports activities rights and kind of the state of the market proper now, perhaps Europe and US. You guys had a really profitable, not less than primarily based on the press reviews, renewal in Germany with Sky final 12 months. However we have seen among the different offers which have occurred or are taking place have gone backwards, EPL, the Bundesliga and [Indecipherable] might roll again and even within the US, there was most likely extra rigidity than standard and Greg, clearly with Sinclair, what is going on on there and Fox Sports activities is clearly tough with wire chopping.

So are you able to guys simply give us kind of a way as you progress by 2021 and 2022, how are you feeling about your place each with F1 and the Braves? And when you assume the market has gotten much more difficult and tougher than it was a few years in the past?

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Stefano, you need to absorb form or completely satisfied to.

Stefano DomenicaliPresident and Chief Government Officer

Okay. I imply, in my view the state of affairs we already at present is for positive fascinating from one facet, however excellent on the opposite. I imply, what we are able to see there, as you already know on our enterprise mannequin, the broadcaster companions are vastly vital for us. However we are able to see excellent alternative to increase and discover completely different fashions to, as I mentioned, to be complementary platforms and supply direct connection to the fan base, each within the OTT world that’s nonetheless an space that we’ll for positive give an eye fixed, a vital eye for the long run.

However, to be sincere, I do imagine that if you’ll be able to entice as we’re doing this sport, the business account, as a result of the curiosity is there, and we have to guarantee that the game we’re shaping up for the long run, give the context to guarantee that is deliverable to the followers. And that is why we now have a variety of exercise related to guarantee that, to begin with in fact, we do not lose the standard and really non secular followers. However we have to converse the language of the brand new supporters, the brand new followers, the younger era. So we now have a variety of progress to guarantee that that is taking place already this 12 months. So I am optimistic on that to be sincere.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

I agree with Stefano’s feedback, however I would add a pair extra if I might, Ben. First, we have accomplished rather a lot over the previous few years. Thanks, Chase, and now thanks, Stefano, to attempt to construct fan curiosity and fan pleasure. And that is higher on-track competitors, that is a extra balanced subject that we — as we go into ’22, that is a variety of ancillary issues like fan festivals, like programing, like Drive to Survive, all of these constructing fan curiosity, clearly eSports part as effectively. That is an vital part while you clearly go for renewal, how a lot fan curiosity, how a lot pleasure there may be.

In all probability a very powerful part is how a lot competitors there may be amongst potential bidders, distributors of your product. And candidly, the very best deal we now have most likely is our UK deal and was largely as a result of there have been a number of bidders extremely taken with getting our product. I do really feel, as Stefano notes, we now have a relative worth. You have seen declines in among the different higher-cost European options. However when you look on any form of foundation about what value per eyeball, value per hour, and so forth, F1 appears to be like like a relative worth.

And I feel a facet word, Ben, which I am positive you’ll be able to recognize, with the rising value of options like scripted content material, as that will get costlier in some methods it supplies a ground on what the worth of among the stay sports activities may be. Traditionally, stay sports activities appears to be like so costly, perhaps not fairly as a lot when scripted continues to rise.

So I am enthusiastic about F1’s prospects, however above all, we might profit from elevated competitors, which is doubtlessly among the new digital gamers getting into, and so they have sniffed. And we’ll see if we are able to get them excited. I do imagine finally they are going to be grow to be bidders, and that can be to our profit.

So far as trying again at US rights and the Braves, clearly, we have had a world the place the bundle has triggered a variety of over shopping for, whether or not it’s for sports activities — of all types of sports activities programing, together with the RSNs. And if that bundle breaks, there may be danger round what the entire quantity paid to groups can be, together with the Braves.

I really feel comparatively good in regards to the Braves. Our contract is thru ’27, first. And secondly, we now have a great contract, however far and away not the very best, effectively beneath any person just like the Dodgers. However in distinction, we now have the biggest broadband family viewers. So the Braves have the biggest territory with 12 million broadband households. So the diploma you take a look at digital options and the like, we’re most likely in the very best form in comparison with many to profit as new options come up and the bundle doubtlessly weakens.

Ben SwinburneMorgan Stanley — Analyst

That is useful. Good luck within the NL East this season. Thanks.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Thanks. Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Bryan Kraft of Deutsche Financial institution.

Bryan KraftDeutsche Financial institution — Analyst

Hello. Good morning. Couple of questions. First, are you able to — Greg, are you able to speak about your present expectations for what I am going to name the trail to normalcy in your stay occasion companies searching over ’21 and ’22? There’s clearly a variety of focus available in the market by traders on how rapidly companies like these are going to have the ability to bounce again and whether or not again half of ’21 appears to be like regular or ’22 appears to be like regular. So would simply like to get your ideas on what Components One, Dwell Nation, the Braves, what that path appears to be like like for them?

After which simply rapidly on the leverage goal for Components One. Are you able to simply remind us what your goal leverage ratio is. And is there any thought to working that stability sheet extra conservatively sooner or later simply given the expertise with the pandemic, or are you continue to snug with that? Thanks.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

So I am going to begin on the opening. It is definitely not binary, and it is not binary in a variety of methods as a result of at F1 and the Braves we now have a number of sources of income. F1’s bought three huge pillars, proper: broadcast which was impeded however most likely can be impeded much less in ’21 whatever the pandemic; sponsorship and promoting, which was impeded much less in 2020 than definitely the fan part or the promotion part, however once more most likely be much less in ’21. After which followers, and we’re going to have a wide range of options the place followers can be to some extent there. And I do not assume, once more, will probably be binary. We’re not essentially going to see zero to 100. It is going to be someplace doubtlessly between, although I am extra optimistic as we go to the tip of the 12 months, we’ll get to 100% of capability.

And the identical factor with the Braves, a number of income streams, each tv and on-site. However we do not actually have is — we do have sponsorship. It isn’t as massive a part as it’s at Components One. I feel, once more, not binary. The expectation is we’ll most likely begin out at 25%. I discussed already that Georgia is comparatively open. We can be in much better form by way of the fan attendance than when you had been in New York or California or another locales. And will probably be determined not by baseball, however by the native guidelines and authorities. So the expectation is we could have rising numbers there, however once more not binary. I do not assume we’ll go from 25 to 100 within the house of a flip of the swap.

And clearly Dwell Nation would not have — has clearly promoting and sponsorship, however would not have the printed factor. So it is probably the most responsive or weak or affected by shutdowns. Offset to that’s international enterprise actually with the potential for very completely different responses relying the place you might be on this planet. So I feel Components One, specifically, is making ready for a stability sheet that’s invincible with no matter comes. And we’re absolutely supportive of that.

I do assume they’ll have followers at occasions this 12 months, however definitely you have already seen a few of that and it’ll develop. They introduced earnings barely forward of expectations I feel simply yesterday, however significant efforts. There’ll nonetheless be undoubtedly work to be accomplished all through ’21. In order that’s form of — that is most likely considerably of a non-answer, Brian, as a result of we definitely aren’t within the crystal ball enterprise precisely. However we’re within the enterprise of making an attempt to organize to verify we profit when it does open and that we’re ready if that does not occur on the charges of — or change or tempo that we want. And I feel all three of these companies are effectively ready.

And that kind of turns to the stability sheet query. I feel one of many issues about being a part of the Liberty Group is you’ll be able to — we now have the power to hopefully look forward and be considerate with the good thing about our working corporations. The Components One stability sheet could be very, very sturdy. I feel the working ranges that we now have in our agreements are fantastic, and I — clearly, they’re sturdy each on the F1 working stage. After which while you take a look at the money on the flawed stage, it is fairly sturdy. So I am probably not frightened in regards to the stability sheet.

Bryan KraftDeutsche Financial institution — Analyst

Nice. Thanks for the colour.

Brian J. WendlingChief Accounting Officer and Principal Monetary Officer

And simply to reply your query actual fast on the leverage goal, our acknowledged leverage goal on Components One is 5 occasions to five.5 occasions. And as you recall, we now have a — our 8.25 max leverage has been waived by March 31, 2022. And after we purchased the enterprise, we had that approaching at eight occasions leverage, and we considerably delevered it not solely by money operations generated, however we did have a major fairness issuance as effectively. So each of these lowered the leverage even previous to the pandemic.

Bryan KraftDeutsche Financial institution — Analyst

Received it. Okay. Thanks. Due to you each. Respect it.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from David Beckel of Berenberg Capital.

David BeckelBerenberg Capital — Analyst

Thanks rather a lot for the query. Type of piggybacking in your commentary about reopening. I used to be questioning when you might assist us take into consideration income recognition for the promotion facet, actually all of the income streams underneath a wide range of completely different situations. It appears as if the vaccine rollout for probably the most half goes higher than anticipated in lots of components of the world. Ought to we be interested by race promotion income being materially affected in H1 or is that considerably protected given the concessions you made final 12 months?

After which kind of as a follow-up to that, I would love to listen to your ideas to the extent you are prepared to share, on how the staff cost construction may have an effect on earnings or EBITDA to F1 this 12 months. Particularly perhaps when you might body it in reference of 2019 ranges in case your EBITDA stage, pre-team EBITDA exceeds 2019, ought to we count on marginal upside within the present 12 months?

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

So I feel promotion can be nonetheless lowered in 2021 definitely versus what we might have in a non-pandemic 12 months. We could have restricted audiences and restricted fan at a few of our occasions. So I do count on and we’re not right here to make a forecast partially as a result of a few of that is nonetheless up within the 12 months and floating round. But additionally as a result of that is what we wish to allow you to do. So how a lot can be — undoubtedly be impacted the quantity to which we’ll see. And going ahead, we now have with the brand new Concorde Settlement, we now have a construction, which as we enhance profitability, we now have the chance to take again a few of what traditionally F1 earns comparatively through the years, the charges get much more enticing for us, whether or not we are going to hit that 2021, given the dangers round pandemic, I am not assured. However within the years going ahead, as we proceed to have a completely wholesome enterprise, I do imagine our share of the margin will barely enhance.

Stefano, would you add something?

Stefano DomenicaliPresident and Chief Government Officer

I could not agree extra and I feel that what’s vital that with the brand new governance, so with the brand new Concorde Settlement, with the brand new value management measure, given the sustainability method that enable us to assume larger and that is one thing that I do imagine that’s actually the fitting fundamentals that drives the fitting method, each from the business perspective and in addition from the staff perspective to be a part of this unimaginable championship.

David BeckelBerenberg Capital — Analyst

Nice. Thanks, each.

Brian J. WendlingChief Accounting Officer and Principal Monetary Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Your subsequent query at present comes from David Joyce of Barclays.

David JoyceBarclays — Analyst

Thanks very a lot. A few questions. One on the printed facet of the Components One enterprise for this 12 months. Would there be any lingering COVID-related impacts or ought to we give it some thought as being kind of corresponding to 2019 and grossing up for step ups escalators and variety of occasions? After which secondly, on the Braves, with the Sinclair RSN agreements and on this was already touched on just a little bit earlier within the name, the place do you stand with them transferring towards having a hybrid excessive mannequin? How does that play into your economics? And what might that do for additional fan engagement at the same time as that would tie into sports activities betting as soon as that turns into one thing on the horizon in Georgia? Thanks.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Thanks. So we count on a reasonably regular broadcast income stream and lightest our 23 races now. Once more, crystal ball about precisely how COVID performs out, however our objective was to attempt to take the ache in 2020 ought to agree that we rightly needed to make concessions towards a few of our broadcasters. Our objective was a lot as attainable to make {that a} 2020 occasion and produce 2021 again to regular. So that’s our hope and our expectation. However COVID might change that, simply as a warning. And on the interested by the RSNs, as I mentioned, we now have our contracts lengthening into 2027. I do know Sinclair is making an attempt to do some various things, it is not clear to me precisely what rights Sinclair has to do among the that charges that they mounted, they will do or need to do.

And people have been some discussions with baseball about all fees. However I don’t count on a significant change assuming we are able to run a full 162-game schedule on a traditional tempo. I’d count on, we might have regular income streams from Sinclair definitely in 2021 and thru the remainder of the contract. And I do know whether or not they’re new engagement mannequin that can assist us with Sinclair that might be and it’ll see once more I am not precisely positive what Sinclair issues their rights are to do a few of these issues, however that is Mr. Ripley.

David JoyceBarclays — Analyst

Then simply lastly on the COVID impacts on Components One in broad strokes, how ought to we take into consideration these promotion and sponsorship contracts within the combine between mounted and variable parts? Is there a common algorithm that is baked into the contracts? Or how ought to we take into consideration that?

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Look, most of them most likely do not need triggers or any set off that they do have, we are going to seemingly have the ability to meet. However, take a companion who’s a big worldwide airline doing principally will get shut down for all international journey, you’ll be able to resolve whether or not they’ll be a great companion with them or not for the long run and that is been our objective. So we are going to work with them in the best way that we recognize that they’ve labored with us in the course of the troublesome time.

David JoyceBarclays — Analyst

All proper. Thanks.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Jason Bazinet of Citigroup.

Jason BazinetCitigroup — Analyst

Thanks a lot. I assume having further liquidity is at all times a great factor, however I used to be questioning if there may be any colour you may add by way of these amendments that you just did unencumbered among the passive fairness stakes. Was there one thing particular that you just had been trying to do or some want that you’ve got closed extra simply common optionality? Thanks.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

You realize we’re into optionality, Jason, however I am going to let Ben Oren our comparatively new Treasurer reply.

Ben OrenSenior Vice President and Treasurer

Certain. With respect to the Siri margin mortgage, we did do an upsize, however we stored this to the identical billion shares collateralizing that mortgage as we had beforehand underneath the $1.35 billion. So we’re simply maximizing our potential to entry {dollars}. With respect to Dwell, it is a actually a perform of what occurred within the earlier margin mortgage. We repaid it and we had a considerable variety of shares [Indecipherable] collateral pool and so after we proper measurement the loans to $200 million, we appropriately took the quantity of shares underlying that to one thing that is nearer to the place the practical LTV for our margin mortgage.

Jason BazinetCitigroup — Analyst

Okay. I perceive. Thanks.

Operator

The subsequent query comes from John Tinker of Gabelli.

John TinkerGabelli — Analyst

Thanks. Terrific numbers within the Battery and the Braves, which sadly, I feel, get just a little loss given these folks deal with staff. Do you could have any or would you ever contemplate in any method highlighting the valuation of the staff, your property otherwise?

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

John, when we now have nice analysts such as you writing up the worth for us, we needn’t do with our commandants. No, however I feel you are proper, there may be worth within the Battery, it’s spectacular and it is a perform each of Georgia being a comparatively open place as we have famous, and I feel actually the nice job that the Braves administration staff has accomplished to create a safe surroundings, one the place persons are prepared to come back and it is open and going effectively. I am undecided we’ll create a tracker or do one thing completely different round that, however we’ll strive and ensure we spotlight appropriately that there’s worth within the Battery and our actual property developments. Thanks.

John TinkerGabelli — Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

And the ultimate query at present comes from Matthew Harrigan of Benchmark.

Matthew HarriganBenchmark — Analyst

Thanks. Despite the fact that Components One most likely generates extra knowledge than every other sports activities in live performance with AWS and Intel and Qualcomm, it was actually under-developed, underneath [Indecipherable] that we see with Bernie. You had a variety of success common Grand Prix now. I feel you have bought rather a lot allowed to perhaps have extra trying and all that and cameras within the races essentially. However are you able to speak in regards to the potential there and the way do you see that creating? It appears to be like such as you made some strides, however there may be nonetheless a variety of headroom by way of what you may do on the TV facet within the online game facet. Thanks.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Sure. I feel it is an important level, Matt. If you concentrate on an evolving world, the place we now have elevated beginning on the kind of the printed facet, however we now have potential for elevated digital gamers, the variety of cameras we now have, the angles we now have, your potential to dial up what angle you need, that basically performs completely to power of these form of digital gamers and completely different penetrated linear of pace. So I feel we’re a sports activities that can profit from that elevated consideration on the digital facet by way of viewing. Completely different expertise and one on the fan can tailor. I feel you may see that chance forward, will probably be nice.

The opposite level is that every one that knowledge is proprietary knowledge. We’ve got begun –we started to reap the benefits of by our contract with ISG that did now prove in addition to we like. However as we go ahead and take a look at the alternatives round that, I do imagine there may be quite a bit round playing, round fan data that’s helpful and that we’re in a really sturdy place effectively within the motorsports as a result of the quantity of information and the quantity of which is proprietary. So I feel on each facet, that is an enormous asset.

Matthew HarriganBenchmark — Analyst

Thanks, Greg.

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Thanks. So with that, operator, I feel we’re accomplished. Thanks to our listening viewers in your continued curiosity in Liberty Media, and we look ahead to talking with you once more subsequent quarter, if not sooner.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Length: 52 minutes

Name individuals:

Courtnee ChunChief Portfolio Officer

Gregory-B-MaffeiPresident and Chief Government Officer

Brian J. WendlingChief Accounting Officer and Principal Monetary Officer

Stefano DomenicaliPresident and Chief Government Officer

Ben OrenSenior Vice President and Treasurer

Vijay JayantEvercore — Analyst

David KarnovskyJP Morgan — Analyst

Ben SwinburneMorgan Stanley — Analyst

Bryan KraftDeutsche Financial institution — Analyst

David BeckelBerenberg Capital — Analyst

David JoyceBarclays — Analyst

Jason BazinetCitigroup — Analyst

John TinkerGabelli — Analyst

Matthew HarriganBenchmark — Analyst

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